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Alpha Males, BDSM, and The Red Pill (ep 24)

Hey friend, I just got back in from being outside in my car after midnight in the rain – recording a podcast! This episode is just me talking about what I’ve been interested in the past few weeks. I’ve been reading a lot about manifesting money as well as The Red Pill.

When a man wants advice on dating or relationships, where does he go? His parents? His friends? The internet usually. And if you do any searching for this, you’re sure to run across the PUA (pickup artist) scene and The Red Pill. Both are large, community driven groups aimed at helping men have more success with women. Both have been criticized for being crass, manipulative, and misogynist. But I found myself endlessly curious and it took up a large part of my reading this month.

Find out what I think in this episode of the Maker/Mistaker Podcast. I talk about healing my inner Alpha as well as my curious look into the BDSM community and The Red Pill

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Jeff Finley
Jeff Finley

Jeff is a graphic artist, designer, musician, writer, and mystic with a passion for truth and personal growth. He's the author of Wake Up, Maker/Mistaker, and Thread's Not Dead, as well as the creator of Starseed Supply Co. Learn more about him here.

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  1. Maybe you’ve moved past this… but there really isn’t much more “Conditional Love” than RP way of doing things. So much control on yourself, so many conditions… its kinda gross. I looked into this… but this is mind manipulation for heart destruction.

  2. I really enjoyed this podcast – it was interesting to hear about The Red Pill from a male pov. About a month ago I really got into the Red Pill Women subreddit which is about trying to become more feminine in order to attract a relationship vs TRP’s becoming more masculine to attract more sex.

    I think the strangest thing about TRP vs RPW is that they wouldn’t date each other. Even though they push the same agenda: get hobbies, go to the gym, look after yourself, make yourself more masculine/feminine to attract girls/guys. RPW are after someone who is not 100% Alpha because we still want to be told that we’re loved and be reassured when we’re upset etc, we don’t want just casual sex. Whereas RP guys won’t go for RPW because they know that our end goal is marriage and they really push the whole don’t get married, don’t have kids thing.

    It’s nice to see someone else who has read it and maybe half embraced it but is still a little apprehensive about the whole thing :)

    • Oh I’m gonna have to read some RPW stuff now. That’s interesting. Alan Roger Currie says the “ideal” man is not 100% alpha, but what he calls Alpha Male with Beta traits. But still I *hate* to even begin to call things an “ideal” because I’m all for being your true self. Don’t fit a mold of someone else’s ideal. But the “just be yourself” is criticized a lot in TRP because they believe it is anti-change, and anti-improvement. When I was younger, I didn’t have to worry about attracting a relationship. I didn’t get married because I took RP advice and fixed myself. We just happened to click really well and we were both ignorant of really why that was. I imagine because I was “cute” and was in college and wasn’t a loser and had a good future. We were 20. She was cute, gave me lots of attention and admired me. I didn’t have a goal of “spinning plates” or even doing casual sex. I was like “shit, I like her a lot, why would I need to be with anyone else?” And that was that.

      Now things are so different! I was talking with a female friend of mine recently about the “prize” for women being commitment and the prize for men being sex. And it seems that they are two separate goals. How are we supposed to derive real partnership out of this? And it actually begs the question, do men and women need to be in relationships anyway? RP Men aren’t exactly anti-marriage or monogamy, there is a Married Red Pill subreddit. They do say that you shouldn’t “settle down” unless you have experienced abundance and it’s a deliberate choice. That is where I’m at right now. I want to experience abundance and live life and travel and be free for a while. I love the idea of eventually going DEEP with a primary partner at some point.

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